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Space, Spirituality, and Flying Cars with Thi Hien Nguyen – Episode 8

  • July 11, 2018

Episode Summary

Whenever one discusses the future, the topic of space is bound to pop up. No one understands this better than Thi Hien Nguyen, founder of Spaceconnex. Spaceconnex is one of the many companies leading the charge into space today, seeking to bring together like-minded people who wish to see humanity reach the stars.

In this episode, Carl welcomes Thi Hien to discuss a verity of topics. They discuss why humanity must become a multi-planet species if it wants to survive long term in the galaxy. Then, they discuss how scientists are making new discoveries that seem to legitimize beliefs that were once seen as spiritual. Finally, Thi Hien shares where she expects humanity to be in 20 years.

What We Covered

[02:45] – How Thi Hien visualizes the future

[04:30] – Thi Hien’s experience speaking at a Space-op conference, meeting space enthusiasts and entrepreneurs from around the world

[08:30] – Why Thi Hien feels humanity must become a multi-planet species

[14:00] – the importance of commercialization in the space industry, to drive it forward into the future

[18:15] – The new ways humanity is growing as a community

[21:10] – The new ways that spirituality is becoming merged with science

[24:00] – What is driving Thi Hien to travel to space one day

[28:50] – Where Thi Hien believes humanity will be in 20 years

[30:00] – The importance of ethics and morality in science today


Links Mentioned

Thi Hien’s Twitter


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Speaker 1: I like to be pure, be open, be pure at heart and stay open. Be willing to put your mind on delete mode, because we don't need to know. All we need is a strong vision, great access to people that share the same values, beliefs in abundant futures, and the opportunities that will unfold if you trust the path.
Speaker 2: A wise man once said ...
Speaker 3: A wise man once said ...
Speaker 2: The best way to predict the future ...
Speaker 3: Is to create it.
You're about to experience [inaudible 00:00:38]. Scientists, entrepreneurs, thought leaders. You're listening to the Future of Humanity podcast.
Carl Taylor: Welcome to the show. If you are joining us for the first time, let me introduce myself. I am your host Carl Taylor. Now if you're an old friend and you've joined us for previous episodes, then welcome back. I'm so pleased to have you join us for another episode of Future of Humanity.
Today, we are joined by Hien Nguyen. And Hien's bio says that she is empowering entrepreneurs to achieve multidimensional health while impacting the future of humanity through longevity, space, high tech, future and innovation.
So what exactly does that mean? Well, Hien provides a personal training and health longevity service through her high performance center. She also consults personally to various businesses and she runs a non-profit space company called, The Future Humanity.
Hien and I share a background in having done a lot of personal development and being coaches ourselves. We touch on some of this a bit in the episode. In fact actually, it was a friend of ours, a mutual friend, who connected us and told us that I should get Hien on the show.
Now Hien also speaks three languages, and English is not her native language, so it is a great privilege that she has come on to do this podcast episode in English.
So what are we talking about? In this episode, we cover a wide variety of topics. We talk about space travel and becoming an interplanetary species, we talk about flying cars, we talk a little bit about some spirituality aspects, and more importantly we talk about what you and we can all do to level up and bring about a better future.
So, lets get straight into the episode.
I'm super excited for today, we're joined by Hien Nguyen, and Hien you were just saying a minute ago that when you think about the future, that you kind of go through like a dreaming process. Can you explain that process and how you use that to think about the future.
Speaker 3: I visualize like in [inaudible 00:02:48] it's a way to approach the future by telling a set of stories about what is happening right now to humanity, what might happen, and what we wanted to happen. So these stories, imagine the future based off of predetermined elements, and uncertainties in order to influence present actions. I'm very inspired by science fiction stories, influencing human dreams, ideas, thoughts and intentions and actions for the future of space, and also honoring our pasts, our multi generations that came before us that built the big cathedrals and the pyrements. So now we are, I also retro cast into the future, what can I do now in 2018 to make an impact in twenty years from now, because life that will be in twenty years will be totally different than what we experience now.
How can I impact, for my interspace, how can I leave the legacy in a thousand years for now, what can I do now to make a difference?
Carl Taylor: Absolutely, we share a similar goal there right? We were just talking about that before we started this episode and you are very much involved in the world, in particular in space. You are very interested in the area of space when it comes to the future of humanity. You were recently just speaking at an event in Italy. Can you tell us a bit about that? What was the event and what were you speaking about?
Speaker 3: It's a space app conference. It's actual talk to where space [inaudible 00:04:36], yes. I got the opportunity to meet around the world and get to connect and have access in fact with space industry, with a space engineer, the aerospace and scientists. The lesson for me was obviously, we as entrepreneurs, all that matters is to have the vision, not necessarily needing a PHD to your name.
All you need in this rapid evolution of all times that we're currently sharing space with is that it's no more enough to have a purpose. It is utmost important that we have a vision that is so big, that it will literally pull us toward something that we will want to leave a legacy to it. So having access to the people that join the rocket is the fastest way you can make the impact because you will live up to their standards.
Spending time with young students was an amazing experience. I always like to be that contributor with a purity as opposed to being somebody calling myself the entrepreneur and if I'm an entrepreneur I'm the only entrepreneur. So walking into the room with an absolute purity, and being able to then make a difference.
Carl Taylor: That's great. There are a lot of entrepreneurs that listen to this podcast and I'm sure that many of them, myself included, have had that thought of going, "well there's all of these amazing things happening, I'm an entrepreneur, I'd like to be involved, I'd like to do something, but how can I get involved or what can I do? I don't have that PHD, I don't have those skillsets?", I think that's a great realization that you don't have to have that, you just have to get around those people and bring our skillset to the table.
Speaker 3: You could easily use this an an excuse not to implement on your vision. You could say, "okay, I'm the only one that has no title in front of my name.", and you could say, "okay I feel quite inadequate.". Now the future belongs to those that stand tall, be truthfully real about their situation and go and play full out with their dreams. Knowledge is not the problem. The more diverse the environment is, the more interesting it is to come together eventually and make the future abundant for humankind, for everyone.
Carl Taylor: Absolutely. The conference had numerous different people speaking. I believe there was a physicist I saw you had interviewed. You shared some of the clips on your Facebook which was great.
What were you particularly talking about? What was your topic?
Speaker 3: My massive transformative group is an inspiring influencer. An influence the future of humanity on and off by teaching and educating, providing resources of exponential technologies and innovation.
The moon chart is to impact a billion lives. We gradually inspire people to travel multi planetary. We had a futuristic overview of space.
Carl Taylor: Absolutely. When we're talking becoming a multi planetary species, which is something Elon Musk talks about, and many scientists have spoken about.
What do you think it's important? Why is it a goal that humanity should have to become multi planetary?
Speaker 3: Stop asking questions. So this is the same question that I asked myself.
Why? Is it that humanity feels the push to go? Or do we feel a cosmic pull from space? What is my role? Where are we currently at? What challenges are we facing? Where are we heading to?
The fact is that we are living in the most rapid change of events in the history of humanity.
I don't want to hear about technology, [inaudible 00:09:03], and evolution, and the [inaudible 00:09:08] industry talks about frequencies, evolving. What is behind all of this? Why are we moving so fast? Is this just technology? Or is there maybe a spiritual cause? Is technology related with spirituality, because we at the end, we are from the same source. Without technology it's not going to be possible for us to reach among the stars.
Carl Taylor: Yeah. This is an interesting question, I've thought about this too. What is, why are we in such a rapid transformative time?
Yes, we've had times throughout history that we have transitioned, but I truly believe that we are right now, in one of the biggest transformations in our history. It might not be the last one, but I'm sure we'll have, hopefully we'll have many more.
I've wondered, is it purely a technological thing? Is there a consciousness element to it, whether you want to call it a spiritual element, or whatever your persuasion may be there? What is it that has culminated us to this point where we're at this tipping point? Is it just purely a population issue?
One of our recent episodes was with Doctor Mel Heart, and she was talking about the challenge we have of 7.6 billion people on the planet right now, and she was saying that the estimates say that the planet should really only be sustaining about 2 billion people.
If that's not a reason that we should become multi planetary, I don't know what else is, but it's a fascinating question.
Speaker 3: We are always evolving. Any species, right? We are always moving. If you ever spent your time, talking and interviewing with astronauts and scientists, you spoke to astronauts, when your view is our beautiful blue planet from up there, and you look down you see no borders, you see no religions, you see no beliefs, you may see some city lights, but you can see that the planet is almost literally hanging on strings.
I believe we are just naturally evolving as a civilization. You may have read the book "The Future of Humanity" from Michio Kaku, I highly recommend. He talks about humanity is currently about, we are three to four, depending on which source you are reading, different stages of civilizations. Humanity is currently at stage zero, we are planetary. Stage one, I think, you become exo-planet, and stage two would be like a Star Trek. Stage three would be like a Star Wars, we are totally intergalactic.
It is a necessity for us to go to planetary like Carl Sagan says? If the dinosaurs had a space program, would they still be around? It was like a small size of an asteroid right?
Carl Taylor: Yeah, the asteroid, that's one of the things that Stephen Hawking used to talk about as well. Why we had to become multi planetary-it's just too much of a risk. In business we all know they say anyone who is a business owner knows it's about managing risks. The biggest risk is number one, and right now we're single planetary species meaning, if something happens to this planet, human caused or not, that one thing disappears.
Speaker 3: What causes it? And always believe in, go back to a source. Go really deep, it has always a meaningful purpose. It's not like we go to space for a [inaudible 00:12:39].
Some maybe, the private sector will open up to space tourists for fun you know? I truly believe since I personally, the process of applying to go to space. This is for me not saying, "okay I need to feel a rush, my life is boring.". No, this is just, I've gotta experience it, and I've gotta go and experience..I'll be better to teach it, I will be a better social entrepreneur.
We learn through experience, and I think this is very important that we really create strong communities, because we're not going to go thereon our own. One has to path the way, like a hiker. He paths the way for others to make it easier and accessible for them. When we start this travel, obviously it's only for the wealthy one.
I would like to envision that it's accessible for everyone.
Carl Taylor: You touch on a couple of things that I want to come to. The first one, you talked about this commercialization of space from a tourism point of view. I want to know, do you think that's an important step for, while yes it might be people looking for thrills and endorphin rushes, do you think it's an important step to make the longer vision of us becoming multi-planetary, because the investment, the private investment into that tourism industry in the current capitalist society is going to mean that that fuels more investing in technology that improves?
Speaker 3: It's a saying that you're phone that you have in your palm was designed by astronauts. The information that we are currently having in the palm of your hand was only accessible for the President. Remember how huge the first cell phone was, the first actually computer was almost the size of a helicopter, right? Everything is going through, first it's very deceptive. The progress if it's something new and never explored before, that's why human humanity is purest at heart. You will find a way to make the impossible possible. As long as you believe that I am the possibility.
When you come from a state of imagination, purity, playfulness, this is one presentation that the scientist that you were pointing to, an Italian scientist. Albert Einstein had the vision that we are, that in his general relativity theory, when two black holes crash they will create gravitation waves. So for a layman it's pretty much like you're throwing rock on a river, and it creates those waves, those are gravitation waves.
Albert actually didn't have the technology. All he had was a pen and a paper, and going totally going into his inner space of a playful child and came up with this theory when no one believed, no one could prove. Only he could believe and one hundred years later, only two years now we are able to prove his theory with the help of [inaudible 00:16:00].
How amazing is this? How crazy is this? So, this is where I talk about purpose is no more enough. The self development industry you all mean good and well, but come on and level up. Level up your leadership. Think more than just being a coach and take on more roles.
How do I have to change to make a bigger impact, because we all want to help.
How can we change from being somebody, as yourself saying, "I'm a marketer.", and all of a sudden you are sitting here making an impact for the future of humanity probably for your future grandchildren.
Carl Taylor: Absolutely. That's the goal and we come from a similar background in the personal development world, coaching. We both have that similar background. Obviously at least, you and I have found a calling to higher than that.
I like that. I like what you're saying of level up in the personal development world. I think a lot of that comes down to what we were talking about before. I've wondered about, yeah there's a technological side of it, but there must be a consciousness side of what's happening, as we as a society are becoming more self aware. Not just self aware but community aware.
The morality of it I suppose is moving to a more community based, I supposed moving back to it. If you think back into the history we were quite community based. Capitalism has kind of sent us more on a path of the individual, the ownership of assets. Mine..what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours. There is a trend, at least I see it, that we are moving more back into an open source, and we're moving back into a community. Facebook has probably helped, but we're far more community driven again. I think that might be part of what's happening here.
Speaker 3: It's said that community is a new currency. Yes, we used to move in tribes. Women used to gather together. If you were to BS in any form or shape, you would be caught standing there, you will burn your feet over fire. People know that you lied in the tribes. You know Tony Robbins, The Firewalk, the tribal way you burn yourself. I think your consciousness when you as an individual raise your frequency and your consciousness. When you go from being somebody, and the universe we are all living together in this universe meaning one, where we experience through our five senses. Objects, people, places, you think I'm real here through your [inaudible 00:18:37]. We get to experience through the three dimensional world, but what is [inaudible 00:18:42]body. The health and fitness industry, what if I am not my body, then I transition and I started to notice the least I do by myself. You automated everything. The least I do, the better my response started to become.
What happens here? What happened?
How would the people here just in my presence from my first consultation maybe just one word that I'm saying? What is happening here?
Instead of asking the question, if I am not my body as a personal trainer, it's all about the three dimensional you know? The lower, the roots, chakra, your solar plexus, right? The lower third chakra, which are correlated to the survival mechanism. Most of humanity is operating just from there. We are close up there up from our heart, and that's where the true leadership of compassion comes in and kindness. This is the leadership that we currently need.
The leadership of the Netherlands, of the heart, of true. When the heart stays open, you have no choice then just to do good.
It's so common of entrepreneurs, they get high blood pressure, because they do all mind and task to dos all day and they have neglected their body. You know Steve Jobs, and have neglected their body. All he wanted at his death bed was connection, and health.
I ask the question, who am I if I'm not in my body? Of course, anyone can get there by sitting down and meditating.
Carl Taylor: It's interesting that we've gotten onto this topic, because there is talk that the more scientists start to study these things that has been traditionally, I'm gonna quote my fingers, go quote on quote, "woo-woo", that the more we have started to study the universe and started to understand things on a quantum level. That there has started to be evidence of some of these things being possible.
I'm personally a bit on the fence. I'm a fence sitter as to how spiritual I get on that side of things, but it is interesting. Do you think it's going to be a trend in the future that we're going to see far more. I mean, you're into longevity and the body.
Do you think this is a trend we're going to see that more scientific evidence is going to come out to show that these areas that have been more traditionally seen as a bit "woo-woo" and spiritual will have a scientific basis?
Speaker 3: It already is science. Everything is frequency. My thoughts have come from the brain, and subconsciously whatever word I create into this out there, I will create into my reality. I'm willing to give up everyday my personality, because my personality doesn't determine my personal reality.
When I'm not my body. I'll give you an everyday example. On my way to the airport, the wrong airport. I had only an airport to get to the right airport. So one hundred and thirty kilometers, in an hour, Frankfurt main airport traffic is quite a challenge. So, in that moment, I could say the old version of me goes into an impatient, or say I had the choice between, it's not going to work out, or I'm gonna make it happen. Because logically in the three dimensional universe that we live, going from that airport, from that airport, bringing my body from A to B in sixty minutes in peak traffic is impossible, right?
So, make a swift efficient, and focus my clear intention that I'm going to make it, and call it in those empowered emotions that I would like to feel as opposed to quitting, thinking it doesn't makes sense, the traffic, the three hundred booked taxi, the hotels that are already pre-booked, the people that are waiting for you to do presentation, the PowerPoints that I made. I'm sitting there and focusing, this stuff works that in time reality.
Carl Taylor: So, I'm guessing you made it there within the sixty minutes?
Speaker 3: I made it! You have a choice to create your personal reality. When you have intention and clarity, you are a great futurist.
It's open for everyone now. There's different remains in space. Are you a space explorer? Are you destiny driven? Then there's the space science. Are you discovery driven? Of course, there's challenge with space [inaudible 00:23:13]. Tech driven, [inaudible 00:23:17] flying around the orbit all the time. We gotta take care of the pollution around our climate. Asteroids are around there. Who's paying the tax to avoid the impact? And then the economics, production, space settlements, nano technology, human genes. What about earth sustainability?
Are we in this domain survival driven? Is it a necessity for us?
Carl Taylor: You just touched on a whole bunch of things that do need to come into play when we think about not just moving out into an interplanetary species, but even just if we stay as a single planetary species.
One thing I did want to touch on though, I wanted to make sure to bring up this. You mentioned it before, and I think we skipped over it too fast. You mentioned that you in the process have applied to become a non-astronaut going out into space. I want to hear the story behind that. What drove that, and what's the process involved?
If other people are listening and they're like, "whoa that sounds cool!", is it something we can all apply to do, or is it something only available to the select few? How does that all work?
Speaker 3: I sent an appointment with [inaudible 00:24:26], and these are the message I got and I took action on it. I attracted and I created this personal reality of this opportunity.
Carl Taylor: How did you do that? The visualization process you were talking about in the beginning of visualizing?
Speaker 3: I have a passion of space, I can talk twenty four hours about space. [inaudible 00:24:42] shows up in my dreams. I'll often dream almost flirty like, actually the dream, but rainbow and everything. I'm happy that the color was not doomsday, the color was exactly how I would like to see the future, and how I would like to contribute to the future.
One week later, an email shows up, I get the opportunity to meet him. I like to be, be sure, be open, be purist at heart, be open, willing to put your mind on delete mode, because we don't need to know. All we need is a strong vision, great access to people who share the same values, beliefs about abundant futures, and the opportunities they will unfold if you trust the path.
Carl Taylor: I'm curious, in your journey as you're meeting more people involve din space. Scientists, CEOS in all of this. How many of them have you found have a similar view of creating intention, visualization, meditation..how many of them are you finding are on a similar path of that, versus those that are very head logical driven, compared to being more full embodied?
Speaker 3: That's why, we need high level of competency. I am just business woman, I don't have a PHD. All I care is results, and making impact. Space and the world is open to anyone. You can be anyone, at anytime, and anywhere. You just make sure that you spend time that are driven, with a high ceiling, a high outlook, and vision, and you join a rocket, or you stay on the slow train, and you will be consuming it, rather than spent the time on the production and contribution time..contribution.
Carl Taylor: Definitely. If we don't get into space..
Speaker 3: We are already multi-planetary. Three hundred and sixty days a year someone is always out there.
Carl Taylor: Are we multi planetary though, because we're not necessarily on a planet they're in the space station. They're not actually on a planet yet.
Speaker 3: We made it to the moon. Last Saturday we sent an incite to Mars where they'll explore there.
There's a lot of things happening, and what we have not obviously different life intelligence. We are always awareness driven always also. If you understand, if you study the universe. Like a planet is tiny, we have so many planet like planets, and every time you look up at the stars there's, that star has so many planets around it also. The urge to find intelligent life, which I'm sure is there, but we're not interesting enough for them.
Carl Taylor: It's the interesting question right? The Drake equation, which I'm guessing you're familiar with. For those listening if you're not familiar with the Drake Equation. It is an equation which is designed to determine just how common intelligent life is in the universe.
One of the biggest, over the years, there were these placeholders that just over the year we have been able to measure and discover the numbers to fill in the blanks. But there still is one big blank that we just have to assume right now, which is how common is life, and how common is intelligent life?
That's a big interesting[inaudible 00:28:11]. I'm with you, I want to believe as Molder would say in X-files. I want to believe there is intelligent life out there. I don't know, we don't have that data. I'm a data driven guy, and we don't have that data to fill in those blanks yet.
Speaker 3: I just don't need to have the data and technology to prove this theory. Hundred years, have some patient. (laughs)
Carl Taylor: It may or may not happen in yours or my lifetime, but I'm okay with that as long as we're headed in the right direction, and we as a society and humanity can choose to create a future that is for the betterment of mankind and that is not necessarily to our detriment.
When you project out in your mind to, lets say fairly close, like twenty years from now. What do you think life will be like twenty years from now? What will we have achieved? What will be different?
Speaker 3: I personally, what I have achieved?
Carl Taylor: You personally, but I'm thinking more of society wise as well. Like, what do you think we as society will have achieved, as humanity? Will we be, twenty years from now, will we be on other planets? Technology that has changed..what parts of society do you think are going to be different in twenty years time? Based on what you know.
Speaker 3: Socially, technologically, economically, energy wise, politically, everything is going to be totally different. Absolutely different. In five years time, we're going to fly Uber taxis, the cars will be obsolete, because flying cars will be way more, making more sense than first of all owning cars. It will be completely dematerialized. Flying cars are obviously going to be more affordable, and easier accessible.
The education, also just everything will change and I would like to see it just really really prosperous.
Carl Taylor: Yeah, well I think education needs to become far more personalized, and there's definitely trends showing that that's happening. The rise of AI is definitely helping creating it to be more personalized.
I'm interested on the flying car. I agree one hundred percent with the idea of car ownership and Uber. Elon Musk, he's thinking of people owning the car, and being able to pull in the fleet. I'm not so sure whether long term that's gonna be, that might be a transition phase, but I don't know if long term that's gonna fly..
A flying car. I'm interested here. What benefit do you think flying car brings to our current society, over what we have with a driving car on the road?
Speaker 3: Fun? (laughs) Fun and easy accessibility, and obviously the era of petroleum over.
Carl Taylor: This is something that Elon Musk mentioned when he was launching the Boring Company. I'm okay with there being tunnels under the ground, and potentially vehicles going all underneath me, kilometers down. I'm a little less happy about a big chunk of machinery, like more than just a few planes, you know like, huge chunks of machinery flying over my head, and something might go wrong and it comes flying down. I dunno, that to me, I think the idea of flying cars is fascinating, but the practicalities of it to me, I'm not sure. I haven't done enough research to know, but the practicalities create concerns that whether as a market, whether the market would actually accept it.
Because that's a big thing. When I think about the future, technologically there's some amazing things that are possible. But as a marketer and someone who is really big into psychology of the market. At the end of the day, the market has to accept it.
Google Glass is a perfect example of that. Google Glass was amazing technology, but the market, society, rejected because they weren't ready for it..wasn't quite ready. So that's the thing. I don't know whether flying cars, the market will accept it.
Speaker 3: It can happen, it's already happened. There's actually currently a conference, where they, I forgot the name of the CEO for Uber. He's doing his numbers, it's way more affordable and when that happens. Five years time. I mean, the drones are everywhere already, I mean it's just a matter of political and regulation of slowing things down.
Carl Taylor: It always slows things down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but nothing is impossible.
Carl Taylor: I agree with that. Nothing is impossible.
Speaker 3: Only as far as immortality. What's happening with biotechnology and nanotechnology? We can 3d print organs. If you come into the [inaudible 00:32:31], recently scientists cloned mice without eggs. This is would you do it? If your child has a terminal disease, would you clone an organ? Of course you would right?
Leadership requires high level competency, ethics, and regulations and laws.
Carl Taylor: The biggest part is a lot of it is going to come down to ethics and morality. Because they're such fluid things, that's a challenging concept for me of how that's gonna land, because ethics and morality constantly changes.
I agree, technology is becoming so incredible, that it can do amazing things, but it's also able to do such powerful damage if in the wrong hands. How do we control that and create the right ethics and morals around it?
Speaker 3: That's why you take great care of yourself, of your interspace with an open heart and mind. Do good and you always know if you're not doing good. You know if you do the work, or if you take short cuts. You know if you make a difference, or if you're taking. You know it.
Life is lukewarm if you don't have a vision.
Carl Taylor: What do we do then about the idea that everyone knows whether they're doing something good? I think that most people who have done some of the biggest atrocities in the world believe they were doing the right thing in their mind they didn't see it as a bad thing. There might be some situations, but I think the leaders didn't.
Some of that comes down to how their brains work. You think about sociopaths and psychopaths, that's just how they're wired. They've got a different emotional connection. I dunno, that's one of the things that worries me about this. We can do our inner work, but as a society and humanity, we are more than just one person, we are many people. It's those that, when I think about the future, what concern me. It's not the technology, not the people, like you and me with our heart in the right places. It's those people who think they're doing the right thing, but their views and how their morals and ethics differ from what you and I might agree.
Speaker 3: You know, humanity is smart, and it will wash out anything that is untrue. Even wash it out, there's only two choices you know? Creating the future..You feel or love universal laws.
Trusting that we can share this space together, or decades to come. If you love humanity so much coaches, what are you doing today? What problems are you solving beyond overcoming your own stories, and storytelling? They're all great, but take on a globally challenge of that. That's how you help humanity. Okay you're going to ask a half billion people just do something good everyday.
Carl Taylor: I think that's not just true for coaches, that should be a mantra for everyone to live by, of how can I do something good today to somebody else in my community, and ideally humanity in the process. Doing, the ripple effect is you help one person, you are continuing that ripple effect of that.
Speaker 3: It's only one person. Always. Passive leadership requires to let go a lot of old beliefs, things, and people. I prefer to travel very very light. If you truly want to lead humanity forward, you kind of have to protect yourself and say no. More no, than yes.
Like walking in the desert, you are the only one that sees the [inaudible 00:36:07] gather. You are going to be lonely, you are going to be thirsty, how badly do you want it? (laughs)
Carl Taylor: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: How badly do you want to create change by changing yourself first? You shine the light, you do so little. People will feel you, will see you, just don't worry about being seen. Focus on making a difference.
Carl Taylor: This has been absolutely fascinating conversation.
My final question for you, and I think I already know the answer based on the style of your answers to all these other questions, but when you think to the future of humanity are you optimistic or are you pessimistic?
Speaker 3: Abundant.
Carl Taylor: Abundant.
Speaker 3: For those that do good, we honor our ancestral multi generations. That path the way for us, where we are at, where are we now, what can we do? Why? Just keep asking. Be curious and trust the path we're unfold. And spend time only with people that shed the light on you, and support you.
Not everyone wants to go this path. I don't blame you. It can be lonely. No one, you don't need permission from anyone when you have an idea, and your vision board. All that, make sure you implement it by taking small milestones.
Pick up the phone, put it on paper, read that book, attend that conference, and keep moving humanity forward.
Carl Taylor: On that note, we'll finish up.
For those that want to connect with you further, or to find out more from you or reach out to you about something, what's the best way for them to find you?
Speaker 3: Social media. Facebook, Linkedin. If you're a space [inaudible 00:38:07]. Facebook, I only accept people who share the same space. (laughs) Longevity entrepreneurship, and space.
Carl Taylor: Awesome, very good. Well we'll have the links in the show notes, so if you want to check that out you can visit foh.show and you'll be able to find those in the show notes.
Thank you so much Hien, it's been an absolutely pleasure chatting with you, and I look forward to seeing what you do in the space of the future of humanity, and I'm sure this won't be the last conversation that we have.
Speaker 3: We have one project coming now at the [inaudible 00:38:41] Space Agency. Where they've asked us to work twenty four hours to solve one challenge. We have a mission to travel multi planetary, or avoiding an asteroid in that. Those projects, and several other projects. Just follow me on the social media, and it will be great fun and an honor to share space with you.
Thank yo so much Carl.
Carl Taylor: Pleasure.. So great.
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